The Sausage Factory and the Sausage Fest

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[edit] Strap yourselves in for a story

There was a time when it was shocking that girls used computers. Computers were what boys used. The very idea that a girl would be operating a computer in a fashion other than trying to hit it and force the coins to come out was really mind-blowing.

And the idea that the kind of girls who would use computers in a normal, computer-ish manner were not just simply boys stuck in the wrong, ill-fitting body was also a slam to the system. No way, any normal user of computers would gag out between bites of their sandwich, there's no way that she's pretty, man. She's a pony.

Weird Science! From my heart and from my hand, why don't people understand
Weird Science! From my heart and from my hand, why don't people understand

And the idea that they might be girls, and girls with a sexual expressiveness, and be beautiful... Heck, it was a slack-jawed stunner. You'd actually have to pick your bag of doritos off the floor because you'd have dropped them in the realization that this girl-on-the-computer-who-is-really-a-girl would be pretty, like computers, and again, really be a girl.

Yes, there was a time when this was the case.

Then again, it was also 1985. Movies like Weird Science, with two okay-looking guys crossing a few wires on their home computer and finding an absolute babe come shooting the fuck out of their 15" monitor to an Oingo Boingo soundtrack... well, that was considered to be in the realm of science fiction fantasy. And not just because of the whole monitor thing, either. Pretty girls, man, they just didn't happen back then. They walked down runways and sat in the passenger seat of sports cars and they never ever let you see their tits.

Most of us got the memo that in the 20 years hence, girls have started to use the computer, and some of them have been quite pretty, and others have been pretty and sexually expressive and maybe once in a while got the fun idea of snapping a picture of their yam-yams and putting it online.

But apparently Wikipedia didn't get the memo.

Wikipedia has a wide variety of enjoyable articles of a sexual nature. Without the watchful eye of Wikipedia, an entire generation of schoolchildren would have no group-edited, cobbled together descriptions of Fisting, The Donkey Punch, Anal beads, Genital jewelry, Lolicon, and a thousand other subjects of delightful perversions and picadilloes.

As described elsewhere on this site, Wikipedia sees no major difference between children and adults in terms of browsers on Wikipedia. However, blocking access to Wikipedia because some aspects might be inappropriate for kids, and locking away all the rest of that helpful information, is tantamount to making them eat lead paint chips as far as Jimbo's concerned. Stave a child off from their educational materials regarding the age of consent everywhere on Earth and that's one child left behind. Or bare behind, we're not sure which.

Anyway, so girls.

Since Wikipedia is basically a massive department store of sex materials, big kudos come to everyone who takes time to upload photographs, illustrations and diagrams to accompany these articles. Certainly you wouldn't really understand the concept of the "dildo" if you didn't have a gold-plated dildo photo to make people understand: these things can be gold-plated!! Similarly, how else would you get across the concept of the penis without a nice galactic-size-shot of a wang to help people understand... these things get hard!!

MEMO: I AM REAL
MEMO: I AM REAL

Earlier this year, during the summer, a user started uploading photography to Wikipedia. In these photographs was a girl. By some standards, a rather pretty girl, with nice curves, friendly eyes, and in a couple photos, a nice ol' spray of manthrax across her face and chest.

The girl identified herself as "publicgirluk", and uploaded photos of herself in spandex, a sexy dress, and generally wearing very little, or nothing. She then started assigning the photographs to the appropriate places: the spandexed photo in Spandex fetishism, the latex-wearing photo in Latex clothing, and of course the jizz-riffic photo into Facial (sexuality). Publicgirluk also liked to edit articles of a sexual nature, working on the language and shoring stuff up. She even took a break from the sex articles a couple times and edited information about the Concorde, adding history of this supersonic cross-oceaning phallus and its development models.

So speaking of supersonic development of phalluses, publicgirluk was naturally taken on all sides by the usual range of holy crap there be women types, and handled it as well as most people do; ignoring them or otherwise correcting the assumptions that she was a porn star, or looking for love, or that she wasn't who she said she was.

A lot of her editing took place across July of 2006.

In late August of 2006, the Spandex hit the fan.

A "debate" arose regarding publicgirluk's uploading of photographs in which it was clearly obvious she had tits. The debate is still archived around, but we'll summarize as best we can, giving you the porn version, as it were.

Quarl opened the discussion with the usual hand-waving vague-ness. "PublicgirlUK has uploaded a number of sexually-explicit pictures of (supposedly) herself, mostly used in relevant articles. Wikipedia isn't censored, and the user seems well-intentioned, but there's something wrong about having a significant fraction of sexually-explicit images be of a single identifiable person..."

jpgordon burbled, "Wikipedia's not censored, no, but Wikipedia isn't a porn site either. I'm no prude, but this sure tests my limits."

And what of the legal responsibility of Wikipedia and whether publicgirluk was who she said she was, mused Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg. "Is there any way that we can be sure that this user is really the person in these photographs? I could forsee some potential legal difficulty for wikipedia if this person isn't who we think it is. Is this a non-issue or does anyone see what I am talking about?"

[edit] Raging like a red rocket aimed at the sky

The commentary piled on and on. Concerns about Wikipedia being blocked from schools because of this. Concern that the girl was identifiable. Concern the Wikimedia Foundation might be liable for the publishing of these photos without proper documentation. Oh yes, concern was there, heaped upon publicgirluk... buckets of white, creamy discussion about all aspects of what these handful of photos represented in the sum-cum total of Wikipedia's existence.

Too bad it took hours to let publicgirluk know about it.

Meanwhile, we think this great insight sums up the quality of debate that Wikipedians could handle once a girl showed up:

"Hello? Let's do a bettor's square here. If legal/if illegal. Subject: llama/subject: a woman's bare breasts covered in ejaculate. Gain/danger. Llama: Legal: a picture of a furry mammal. Illegal: potentially an upset National Geographic photographer. "Pearl necklace": Legal: A photo that titillates some boys and shows what is adequately described in the text. "Pearl necklace": Illegal: Pornographic back doors into Wikipedia, a top 50 website with enemies aplenty and political enemies aplenty. So, what's the logical thing to do? Assume good faith, or decide that the stakes are high enough that legality must be proven because the subject matter is a legal and political tripwire? However, let's look at the further evidence: the talk page is a fan club of enrapt youngsters wanting more, more, more and wanting to treat her as a poseable model for their fantasies. Given that profiting by Wikipedia is absolutely, 100% wrong. This is not just an "Oh, you're a prude" thing.
—Geogre

How often do you get such a glorious soup of paranoia, geeky references to bettor's squares, insulting commentary on a user's motivations, and decision that a jizz photo was "high stakes" in the context of Wikipedia? You go, Geogre.

Naturally, we could expect Wikipedia Admins to handle this whole situation tastefully and properly. And so they did:

"You know what might help, some proof that this Publicgirluk is actually the one in the pictures. I belief the standard way of doing this online is to get an identifiable picture of the person holding up a hand-written sign saying something like "I am Publicgirluk on Wikipedia". Publicgirluk, think you can handle that? Shouldn't be too hard.
—Cyde Weys

Do the dance, little tit-monkey. Do the dance.

[edit] The Money Shot

Thanks for the respect, Jimbo
Thanks for the respect, Jimbo

None of this is all out of the ordinary for Wikipedia, of course: people will argue how many bristles are in the brush of an ass-scrubber, and quote pseudo-legal jargon at each other until the sun goes "pfft". What makes this interesting is the injection of Jimbo's hot, sticky opinion into the mess.

It is unfortunate that there was any debate at all here. This was pretty clearly a case of trolling. I would recommend a checkuser on various parties involved to see who else we ought to block in this nonsense. People are really missing the point if they think we should allow this kind of nonsense to go on. This is an encyclopedia, not a free speech zone for trolls.
—Jimbo Wales

Based on Jimbo's word, and decision that there's just no way this could really be the girl and there was no way a girl would ever post pictures of herself like this on Wikipedia, the following actions were taken:

  • Publicgirluk's photos were immediately deleted.
  • Publicgirluk was banned from editing on Wikipedia.

So much for process. So much for discussion. The King spoke, and that was that.

Naturally, people have raised some amount of holy hell for how Jimbo just walked in and dick-slapped the proceedings, but that's not really their place. Once the decision's made, that's that.

Ironically, Publicgirluk herself spoke and said that if people didn't trust she was who she was, and that she was underage or an aardvark or whatever, then fine: delete the photos. At that point, it was pointed out that her photos were GFDL and she had no right to delete them:

Once you release something under the GFDL you cannot then go back and "un-release" it, so your contributions aren't going to be deleted. Besides, imagine how impossible it would be trying to run Wikipedia if dozens of people were insisting we had to go back and delete their contributions, some of them over a year old. It's impossible, but luckily, releasing something under the terms of the GFDL cannot be reneged upon.
—Cyde Weys

Thanks for the lesson, Cyde: You don't trust her photos, but then if she wants to remove them, she can't. Later, of course, Cyde claimed he was talking about her text and not her photos, since they weren't sourced, but this is weaseling; what he means is that if she had been able to prove she was the owner of the photos (by, oh, say, holding up a sign at Cyde's request), then she could never have them deleted.

[edit] One Last Spurt

In a rare display, we're going to let someone else speak: publicgirluk. We contacted her and got her permission to put up these photos, and we think what she said at the end of the "discussion" on Wikipedia captures it best:

When I joined wikipedia I did so with a view of what it was, two important elements were it was international in nature and that everyone was equal and had a valid POV. The debates have shown me that this is not the case, that wikipedia is in fact dominated by US editors and contributors who despite their well meaning and obvious loyalty to the project continue to display stereotypical behaviour showing a lack of understanding of anything outside their own borders and judge the world by their own values and beliefs.

Which leaves me on having to decide the way forward. I appear to have two choices; withdraw - delete my images, contributions and ID while undoubtedly hearing a chorus of "no smoke without fire" behind me; or post a photo of me in some kind of verifiable pose to satisfy those who can not believe that a girl is comfortable telling people that she likes a man to ejaculate on her face.

Wikipedia is not what I thought it was, while there appear to be genuine understanding people here, there are others who I do not want to be associated with. I posted under WP:AGF and if that isn't sufficient then I am not going to perform like a circus lion for the benefit of a small few. I said in a previous post that I am comfortable with my sexuality, I am not ashamed but proud and I have no problem listening to the "I told you so"'s. I would be grateful if an admin could delete my contributions/images as I no longer give permission for their use.

—Publicgirluk

You go, girl.

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